I am on the road to attend a wedding. I was going to bring my laptop but realized at the last minute it waz too much to carry. I will be home late Sunday. I am posting this with great difficulty from my Kindle. In the meantime, consider this an open thread to discuss whatever.

There’s a lot to report today. In no particular order:

A federal judge has ordered the U.S. Army to release all of its records regarding Trump’s Arlington Cemetery Stunt to a group called American Oversight. American Oversight is an activist group organized in 2017 to keep tabs on corruption in the Trump Administration. It would be great to get some more details into the news before next Tuesday.

For the time being, Rudy Giuliani can keep his three New York Yankees World Series rings and his Florida condominium. Just about everything else he owns — including his New York City apartment, more than two dozen luxury watches, and a 1980 Mercedes once owned by Lauren Bacall — must be handed over to Ruby Freeman and her daughter, Wandrea “Shaye” Moss, within seven days. So says a federal judge. If Trump ever pays Giuliani the money owed him for “election” work, that goes to Freeman and Moss also. The Palm Springs property and the World Series rings are tied up in other litigation but could be awarded to Freeman and Moss eventually. Giuliani may have to downsize his lifestyle a tad.

North Korean troops are now fighting in Ukraine for Russia. This is seriously not good.

Yesterday there was much commentary on Jeffrey Goldberg’s piece at The Atlantic, “Trump: I Need the Kind of Generals that Hitler Had.” (No paywall.) You’ve probably heard the antidote about what happened when Trump offered to pay for the funeral of a britally murdered soldier.

According to attendees, and to contemporaneous notes of the meeting taken by a participant, an aide answered: Yes, we received a bill; the funeral cost $60,000.

Trump became angry. “It doesn’t cost 60,000 bucks to bury a fucking Mexican!” He turned to his chief of staff, Mark Meadows, and issued an order: “Don’t pay it!” Later that day, he was still agitated. “Can you believe it?” he said, according to a witness. “Fucking people, trying to rip me off.”

Right-wing sites are now spreading the fiction that everyone involved in this and other stories has disavowed it. See also Nikki McCann Ramirez at Rolling Stone, Fox Host Says Maybe Trump Didn’t Realize Hitler’s Generals Were Nazis. And see Digby, The Wannabe Commander In Chief’s Hatred For The Military.

Another bit along the same lines — Michael S. Schmidt, As Election Nears, Kelly Warns Trump Would Rule Like a Dictator in the New York Times.

We are two weeks from election day eve. The headlines are all what they have been — the race is a toss-up. Undecided voters are still deciding. This is like waiting for biopsy results.

The early votes in Georgia and North Carolina are breaking records, I understand, and polls say the early voters are going for Harris, 2-1.  That should mean there are more votes for Harris in the bank already, so to speak. Whether the dude bros Trump is courting to vote for him manage to get to the polls remains to be seen. They tend to be an unreliable group.

Josh Marshall has a post up about the effects of “junk” polls that push up numbers for Republicans. In brief: Yes, this is a real thing. But the better reporting organizations have gotten wise to this and factor it into their aggregate results. And the tightening in the polls is showing up everywhere, he says. Fivethirtyeight is saying Trump and Harris have about an even chance to win. So let’s hope the polls are all missing something, and it isn’t that close.

Given Trump’s behavior in recent days, it’s beyond understanding why he would actually be moving up in the polls now. But apparently he is. And yes, I know Elon Musk is doing all manner of underhanded and possibly illegal things to get people to vote for Trump, and maybe that’s what we’re seeing. I honestly believe Harris is doing everything right. She’s run a smart campaign.

See also The Very Real Scenario Where Trump Loses and Takes Power Anyway at Politico. This explains what Trump is doing, and likely to do, to grab the presidency if he loses the votes. Among other things, he’s going to lean on county and state officials to stop them from certifying election results. If he can deny Harris a clear Electoral College majority, all bets are off.

This is all terrifying. And it also points to something, probably a lot of things, deeply wrong with our political culture that needs addressing. I suspect that the dominance of social media has made it way too easy to misinform people who are not tuned in to traditional news sources. But there may be more to it.

If you can find any signs of good news out there, please add them to comments.

Update: Okay, maybe there are things going on that I don’t understand. This weekend Trump pulled one of his signature stupid stunts and handed people fries from a McDonalds take-out window in Pennsylvania somewhere. Trump allegedly also operated the frying machine.

For some reason Trump is obsessed with Kamala Harris’s having worked at a McDonalds during a college summer break. He insists she is lying about this, although why anyone would lie about working at McDonalds is beyond me. It would have been 41 years ago, so there are no records of this employment stored anywhere except possibly at the IRS. It’s not something anyone can prove one way or another. And no, McDonalds did not confirm she didn’t work for them, as Trump has claimed.

Trump is suspicious because Harris has rarely mentioned this summer job over the years and never put her time on the flrying machine on her professional resumes, but nobody puts stuff like that on professional resumes. Trump has never had to apply for a job, so he wouldn’t know you don’t put college summer jobs on your resume unless the job was in your chosen industry.. At least one old friend has confirmed that she remembers Harris working at a McDonalds, though.

So the franchise owner of the Pennsylvania McDonalds closed the store temporarily and let Trump and some of his people take over to play at running a McDonalds. And this inspired Piers Morgan to write Trump’s genius McDonald’s stunt will fry Kamala at the ballot box at the New York Post. And some guy at the Arizona Republic wrote Trump went to McDonald’s and fried Kamala Harris’ campaign to a crisp.

I honestly don’t get the thing with McDonalds. I understand what Trump was trying to pull with the Bible Stunt and mosf ot his other stunts, but this one seems to have no point to it. Is he making fun of working at McDonalds? Some McDonalds employees are taking it that way. The guy who owns the franchise is probably sorry, because now it’s being reported around the world that his store failed its health inspection. And McDonalds executives are going to great lengths to let the world know the company isn’t endorsing Trump. Otherwise I’m not seeing much reaction to the McDonalds stunt, but Trump’s people are strutting about like they just won a prize fight.

Update on the McDonald’s Stunt: I had to laugh. Here’s a photo of Trump and the french fryer:

He didn’t roll up his sleeves. Obviously, he has no experience with what grease does to fabric. But there are no photos of him actually operating the fryer, just scooping up the fries and putting them into the paper containers. That’s probably all he did.

Another update: Yesterday I wrote about the Republican “ground game,” the GOTV effort that puts canvassers and other activists into communities to get people to the polls for their candidates. Josh Marshall has an update that’s worth reading. I remember reading that the whole idea to outsource GOTV, and not use the RNC’s own organization, came from Charlie Kirk of Turning Point USA. But lately I’ve just read about Elon Musk’s people doing GOTV, not Kirk’s. Josh Marshall explains this. Kirk got $100 million to put his GOTV organization together, and he failed. He and his organization simply lacked the experience/ability to do the job. So Musk got called in to take over. Kirk’s Turning Point is now only doing GOTV in Arizona, where they are headquartered. And as I wrote yesterday, according to several sources Musk’s canvassing efforts are a mess.

I keep finding news stories about how the Trump “ground game” is a mess. Today I found another one, by Reuters. Trump dismantled the RNC’s existing GOTV structure in favor of getting by on the cheap and relying on a largely Elon Musk-funded operation thrown together this year. The canvassers are doing a hit-and-miss job, by all accounts. Meanwhile, the Harris team has built the single largest get-out-the-vote effort in modern history, it says here.  At the same time, Republicans continue to worry that Trump’s efforts are not getting the job done.

Not even Republicans are convinced Trump’s on-the-cheap effort will work. As early as last year, some party insiders griped that “nobody wants to admit” the former president’s efforts are not yielding winning results. “That’s why we’re losing elections,” one veteran GOP strategist told NBC News.  

They aren’t wrong. Studies dating back to 2007 have shown that volunteer canvassers who join a campaign because they are highly motivated outperform even highly paid field mercenaries. That shouldn’t be too surprising: Volunteers who feel they are fighting for their values will work harder and care more about the outcome than canvassers simply in it for the paycheck. In their effort to leverage billionaire fortunes as an organizing force multiplier, Republicans have hired a wave of apathetic, disconnected canvassers.  

This was published recently in the New York Times:

With 2,500 staff members located in 353 offices, the Harris campaign is working to convert the strongest backers into volunteers and to ensure that sporadic but supportive voters cast a ballot, all while winning over independents and moderate Republicans. Last week, the campaign said, it knocked on over 600,000 doors and made over three million calls through 63,000 volunteer shifts.

Mr. Trump’s team is largely operating under the assumption that Republicans who voted for Trump in previous elections will once again back him in large numbers. His campaign is focusing on a smaller number of infrequent voters who his team believes will back Mr. Trump if energized to vote. 

It has to be noted that ground operations have not always made a difference in presidential elections.

Both sides agree that a bigger ground game doesn’t ensure victory. In 2016, Hillary Clinton’s campaign boasted about its operation, while Mr. Trump had almost no field staff in the key states. Four years later, the second Trump campaign bragged about knocking on one million doors weekly, while the Biden campaign conducted no in-person canvassing out of concern about the Covid pandemic.

But today the Guardian reports that some of Elon Musk’s canvassers appear to be lying about how many doors they knock on.

Donald Trump’s campaign may be failing to reach thousands of voters they hope to turn out in Arizona and Nevada, with roughly a quarter of door-knocks done by America Pac flagged by its canvassing app as potentially fraudulent, according to leaked data and people familiar with the matter. … leaked America Pac data obtained by the Guardian shows that roughly 24% of the door-knocks in Arizona and 25% of the door-knocks in Nevada this week were flagged under “unusual survey logs” by the Campaign Sidekick canvassing app.

But the Sidekick canvassing app also has been a mess. It often doesn’t work in rural areas with little wifi, but such areas are where Trump’s voters live. And one would think that in such a close election, turnout in swing states is critical. It’s also the case that the canvassers are being hired and supervised by local contractors, and the contractors are loathe to fire people because they’re getting paid to get bodies out door-knocking. It’s not exactly a well-oiled machine, in other words.

Meanwhile, Trump is planning to hold one of his last big rallies in Madison Square Garden. Yes, New York City. This will be Sunday night, October 27. It’s been noted that he’s been making campaign appearances in blue states, It’s argued that he gets good national publicity from these appearances, but I wonder if ultimately this is about Trump’s vanity and possible delusions that he could win California or New York or wherever. Do read A week before the election, Trump will hold his most unsettling spectacle yet by Sidney Blumenthal at The Guardian. Very nice bit of writing and analysis. (And can he fill Madison Square Garden’s 19,500 seats? I guess there are enough Trump supporters in the greater NYC area to do that. We’ll see.)

As promised, Judge Tanya Chutkan did release a big pile of J6 evidence yesterday. Much of it was already public, and much of it was from the House J6 subcommittee. I don’t believe any big, new revelations came out of it, but Jack Smith’s case seems substantially reinforced..

Public notice: Along with swearing off articles about the polls, I am also swearing off articles about undecided voters. As they say, The Stupid– it burns.

Moving on.

Today Judge Tanya Chutkan is expected to unseal the appendix to Jack Smith’s motion about why John Roberts’s immunity proclamation wouldn’t prevent Trump’s J6 trial from going forward.  The appendix contains the evidence that Smith says is admissible to support the charges against Trump.

Yesterday Trump’s lawyers filed a request that the appendix remain sealed until after the election. Releasing the evidence before the election would be election interference, the lawyers said. Judge Chutkan responded, “If the court withheld information that the public otherwise had a right to access solely because of the potential political consequences of releasing it, that withholding could itself constitute—or appear to be—election interference.” Read Joyce Vance for more details.

There has been much muttering about Trump’s several last-minute cancellations of interviews, some of them with big-time venues like 60 Minutes. And according to Trump, he was “hoodwinked” into the interview with John Micklethwait of Bloomberg News at the Economic Club of Chicago. Trump was expecting to give a speech, not submit to an interview.

After Trump brushed off an interview with a podcast, The Shade Room — Kamala Harris did that one earllier this week, I believe — producers of The Shade Room said they were told Trump was too exhausted to schedule the interview this week, but that might change. When The Shade Room made Trump’s exhaustion public, the Trump campaign denied they said such a thing. But I’m betting that’s exactly what they said. Better “exhaustion” than “sundowning.” Still, if he can’t keep up the pace of a campaign, how is he going to keep up the pace of being POTUS?

And I hope that we don’t have to find out that I’m right about this, but … I’m betting J.D. Vance is already planning to “25th Amendment” Trump some time next year if Trump and Vance win. Vance is, obviously, a snake. See also Trump’s Age Finally Catches Up With Him by Philip Bump at WaPo.

See also Dana Milbank, Donald Trump’s hysterical closing argument: Save the cows!. Because according to Trump, Kamala Harris plans to eliminate cows. She’s also going to tear down all the buildings and replace them with buildings with no windows. And note that he made exactly the same prediction in 2020.

Let us remember that Trump is still refusing to release his medical records.

Yesterday I saw a headline saying the betting markets now are predicting a Trump win. Oh, wait …

Over the past two weeks, the chances of a Trump victory in the November election have surged on Polymarket, a crypto-based prediction market. Its bettors were giving Trump a 62% chance of winning on Thursday, while Harris’s chances were 38%. The candidates were in a dead heat at the start of October. 

Trump’s gains on Polymarket have cheered his supporters, and they have been followed by the odds shifting in Trump’s favor in other betting markets. Elon Musk flagged Trump’s growing lead on Polymarket to his 200 million X followers on Oct. 6, praising the concept of betting markets. “More accurate than polls, as actual money is on the line,” Musk posted.

But the surge might be a mirage manufactured by a group of four Polymarket accounts that have collectively pumped about $30 million of crypto into bets that Trump will win. 

“There’s strong reason to believe they are the same entity,” said Miguel Morel, chief executive of Arkham Intelligence, a blockchain analysis firm that examined the accounts.

This election can’t be over fast enough.

Whenever Kamala Harris makes a public appearance, the right-wing press rushes forward and declares it was a train wreck. So it’s not surprising that her appearance on Fox News yesterday had one commenter wondering if her “meltdown” on Fox News ended her campaign. Um, no.

In another example of news from another planet, someone at Breitbart reported Bret Baier saying that four Harris staffers were waving their arms and demanding the “interview” be ended. The rest of news media had Baier saying four members of Fox News staff were waving at him to wind up the interview because it was going over time. The New York Times was one of those. Also accocrding to the NY Times, Baier was irritated with Harris even before the interview began because of a last-minute schedule shift by the Harris campaign. Yes, Baier was irritated with a Vice President of the United States and major party presidential nominee because he had to adjust his plans to accommodate her. Some humility lessons may be in order for Mr. Baier.

It was widely noted that Baier was acting more as an agent of the Trump campaign than a journalist. It also was widely noted that Harris held her own. He often interrupted Harris and wouldnd’t allow her to respond to his questions. Baier’s bias and gaslighting were so blatant Lawrence O’Donnell was apoplectic.

As much as Baier kept trying to get Harris rattled, she kept her head and came back at him. When he wasn’t talking over her.  Margaret Sullivan at The Guardian called Baier’s interview “grievance theater, not political journalism.” And see especially Greg Sargent at The New Republic, Harris’s Harsh Takedown of Fox’s Bret Baier Exposes MAGA’s Biggest Lie. Sargent makes the point that Fox has built a “fictional information coccoon” around Donald Trump. And Baier’s questions were from the fictional world of the coccoon, not the real world. “How much public support would Trump have right now if Fox and other right-wing outlets had not been pumping out sanitizing propaganda about him and his presidency for the last 10 years?” Sargent asks.

Trump, meanwhile, held a surreal “town hall” with an all-women audience. By some coincidence, the audience was made up of entirely of Trump-supporting Republicans. See Donald Trump’s Roomful of Suspiciously Friendly Women by Helen Lewis at The Atlantic.

Rachel Maddow knocked it out of the park last night with this opening bit.

If only everyone in the U.S. could watch this. For that matter, why aren’t other news people reporting this? (See previous post.)

By now you’ve heard about Trump’s Bizarro Bandstand episode from last night. But I think his performance today at the Chicago Economic Club was more interestng. Trump was interviewed by John Micklethwait, the editor-in-chief of Bloomberg News and previous editor-in-chief of The Economist. Micklethwait challenged Trump on tariffs Things got weird. After Micklethwait explains all the negative effects Trump tariff ideas would have on the U.S. economy, citing (among other authorities) the Wall Street Journal. Trump simply told Micklethwait that everybody else is wrong.

“What does The Wall Street Journal … they’ve been wrong about everything,” the former president continued, before turning his ire on Micklethwait. “So have you, by the way.”

The crowd in Chicago erupted in laughter and cheers.

“You’ve been wrong,” Trump said again.

Trump is very certain that his tariffs will force companies to build their factories in the U.S.  Continuing,

Micklethwait noted Trump’s plans would essentially halt trade with China, place at least a 10 percent tariff on European nations and have a drastic effect on the U.S. economy, where 40 million jobs rely on trade.

“That is going to have a serious effect on the overall economy,” Micklethwait said.

“It’s going to have a massive effect — positive effect. It’s going to be a positive effect,” Trump responded. “It must be hard for you to spend 25 years talking about tariffs as being negative and then have somebody explain to you that you’re totally wrong.”

Judging by the audience reaction, the business leaders of Chicago are as dumb as Trump. See Trump Crumbles When Pressed on Economic Policy in Tense Interview in the Rolling Stone. But I’m not sure who crumbled, Trump or Micklethwait. Micklethwait was a real nonpartisan journalist trying to get actual answers out of Trump, and his exasperation was palpable. But I predict this was the last real interview Trump gives. From now on it’s talks with friends-of-Trump only.

This weekend much discussion broke out on the Web about why the “legacy” media keeps normalizing Trump while nitpicking Harris. See, for example, this substack article by Margaret Sullivan, who was a media columnist for the Washington Post and before that the public editor for the New York Times. In brief, in the headlines Trump’s racist ranting gets normalized, while Harris is unnecessarily criticized in what Sullivan called a non-story.

There’s not a simple explanation for this. See, for example, Josh Marshall, Yes. Political Journalism Remains Wired for the GOP.  Josh says the uneven coverage is not being driven by money or even partisanship but by deeply ingrained institutional culture. And I think he’s right. This has been true for many years, from way before Trump got into politics. If anything, the bias was worse during the Bush II years than it is now, IMO. Remember Media Whores Online? It was all about calling out the right-wing bias in news media. That site went offline 20 years ago.

Speaking of right-wing bias, Kamala Harris has agreed to be interviewed by Fox News. I’m not sure that’s a good idea. But it probably won’t hurt, I guess.

Under the heading Why Is This Election So Close? — The Guardian reports that the app being used to coordinate the Trump’s campaign “ground game” is a mess. The app doesn’t work half the time, leaving the campaign partly blind as to where their canvassers are going and what they are actually doing. The campaign insists everything is fine.

And under the heading What Trump Hath Wrought — FEMA efforts iin North Carolina are being hampered by threats against FEMA workers. One fellow was arrested today .

Yesterday in Michigan:

Trump: These things were coming cylinders, no wings, no nothing, and they’re coming down very slowly, landing on a raft in the middle of the ocean someplace with a circle, reminded me of the Biden circles that he used to have.. then I heard we lost pic.twitter.com/5rtC7wJH00

— Acyn (@Acyn) October 10, 2024

I found this transcript on Facebook:

He was speaking to the Detroit Economic Club, in Detroit — and bashed Detroit. At one point he called Detroit a “once great city.” At another point, he warned his audience that if Kamala Harris becomes president, the whole nation will be Detroit. “It will be like Detroit. Our whole country will end up being like Detroit if she’s your president,” Trump said. “You’re going to have a mess on your hands.”

I take it this did not go over well. I suspect he didn’t entirely understand where he was. Early stage Alzheimers would account for this. If I’m right, at this point the man is on autopilot. He isn’t entirely certain where he is, but his handlers can put him in front of a microphone and he can still do his free-association rambles. He still knows people and things he’s known for a long time, but he can’t retain new information. And the old stuff probably gets jumbled. He may have notes or a teleprompter in front of him reminding him that he’s supposed to talk about the economy. But if I’m right, he’s going to forget how to read soon. And I’m betting his children and his top campaign advisers know this is happening and are working to keep it hidden, at least until after the election..

If I’m right, there won’t be any more one-on-one interviews of Trump, or forums in which Trump has to answer more than one question. That would lay bare his inability to take in new information. He may not be able to follow multiple questions or remember what he just said. The only exception might be if he talks to a partisan interviewer who understands the situation and gives him prompts to keep him on topic, and who would allow the video of the interview to be edited.

There are still people, like this guy, who think Trump’s verbal strangeness is part of some master plan. I don’t think so.

Note that Trump, having dropped out of the 60 Minutes interview, now wants CBS to lose its license for going ahead with the Harris interview.

In recent days, the former president has lambasted the Harris interview, accusing CBS News of editing the sit-down with correspondent Bill Whitaker. On Thursday, Trump used his Truth Social platform to again take aim at what he alleged to be “a giant Fake News Scam,” accusing “60 Minutes” of replacing Harris’ answers with another to “make her look better.”

“60 Minutes is a major part of the News Organization of CBS, which has just created the Greatest Fraud in Broadcast History,” Trump wrote. “CBS should lose its license, and it should be bid out to the Highest Bidder, as should all other Broadcast Licenses, because they are just as corrupt as CBS — and maybe even WORSE!”

Um, this isn’t rational. But it’s consistent with Alzheimers. People with Alzheimers sometimes imagine wildly random threatening things. And giant faucet, anyone?

See also Michigan newspaper issues correction after Trump claims he won man of year award.  More evidence Trump is seriously confused.

Other Stuff to Read

ProPublica, by Robert Downen and Jeremy Schwartz. In Texas’ Third-Largest County, the Far Right’s Vision for Local Governing Has Come to Life

Slate, by Dahlia Lithwick. John Roberts Has Lost the Public. Does He Care?

The Atlantic, by Jim Nichols. The Moment of Truth. Lovely essay.

I hope everyone made it through the hurricane. Let’s hope that’s it for this hurricane season.

Yesterday, after Donald Trump denied he had sent covid test machines to Vladimir Putin, the Kremlin confirmed that he had. But the Kremlin denied that Trump and Putin have been talking on the phone since. What to make of this? Maybe Putin thought Trump needed a reminded that I own you. Also, Woodward cited an intelligence analyst as the source of the covid machine story, so it must be assumed the intelligence agencies knew about this. Whether the intelligence agencies know about the phone calls isn’t clear.  See also Marcy Wheeler.

I found a news story from April 2020 in which Trump brags about these  particular test machines, by Abbott Labs.

A coronavirus test made by Abbott Laboratories and introduced with considerable fanfare by President Donald Trump in a Rose Garden news conference this week is giving state and local health officials very little added capacity to perform speedy tests needed to control the COVID-19 pandemic.

“That’s a whole new ballgame,” Trump said. “I want to thank Abbott Labs for the incredible work they’ve done. They’ve been working around-the-clock.”

Yet a document circulated among officials at the Department of Health and Human Services and the Federal Emergency Management Agency this week shows that state and local public health labs were set to receive a total of only 5,500 coronavirus tests from the giant manufacturer of medical devices, diagnostics and drugs, according to emails obtained by Kaiser Health News.

Elsewhere — I’ve been working really hard at ignoring the polls. But the polling issue gets in my face sometimes anyway. One issue that keeps coming up is that in both 2016 and 2020, Trump voters were undercounted. I keep seeing headlines saying that Dems are terrified Trumpers are being undercounted again. Now I see in a Newsweek story that pollsters are now “correcting” for the undercount in various ways. Maybe they’re over-correcting? A recent article by Nate Cohn in the New York Times goes into more detail about different ways polls are being “weighted,” arriving at different results. See also Josh Marshall’s miscellaneous thoughts on polling. It’s entirely possible the race isn’t quite as close as the polls are saying.

Getting back to hurricanes — Trump, Vance, and other right-wing tools have been flagrantly and shamelessly lying their butts off about the FEMA response to Helene and Milton.  (For some reason, I keep wanting to call yesterday’s storm “Winslow.” Maybe there will be a Hurricane Winslow some day.) Vance wrote an op ed for the Wall Street Journal about the Biden-Harris mismanagement of Helene, which of course I can’t read. Meanwhile, politicians of the affected areas, including Republicans, have been heaping praise on FEMA and the rest of the feds. The people whose lives have been impacted will, sooner or later, figure out who’s telling the truth. Although I understand there are people who refuse to ask FEMA for help because they’ve been told FEMA will confiscate their houses.

At Slate, Ben Mathis-Lilley writes Trump Is Doing His Best to Make the Hurricane Into a Bad Issue for Him. Mathis-Lilley reminds us of times that Trump tried to politicize or otherwise unnecessarily inject himself into situations and got burned in the process. The Bible Stunt and the Bleach Suggestion, for example. He may well be overplaying his hand now. I guess we’ll see, won’t we, North Carolina?