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Trump and Elon: High on Their Own Supply

So have you heard the one about how Trump is suddenly opposed to the debt ceiling and wants to get rid of it? Yep, yesterday he called for Congress to raise, suspend, or even completely eliminate the debt ceiling, which (I’m sure you remember) is a limit on how much Treasury can borrow to pay debts. And Trump wants it gone before he takes office.

Republicans in Congress are now facing a crisis. For the past several years they’ve merrily demagogued the debt ceiling by portraying it as a limit on how much Congress can spend, not on how much Treasury can borrow to pay for debts already incurred. And then every time it has to be raised they play games and threaten shutdowns in exchange for cuts to programs they don’t like. A lot of Democrats have wanted to get rid of it for years, although apparently not enough Democrats. If the debt ceiling is eliminated, Republicans won’t get to play their favorite “holding the federal government hostage” game any more, or at least, they’ll have to work a lot harder to play it.

(The debt ceiling was created during World War I as a housekeeping shortcut. Before 1917, every time Treasury needed to borrow money to pay the bills, Congress had to vote on it. By setting a debt ceiling as a sort of blanket authorization, they saved themselves a lot of time. But now will the Freedom Caucus go to war over every vote to let Treasury issue some bonds, or whatever? The House is dysfunctional already.)

Jeff Stein writes at WaPo:

In an interview with Fox News Digital on Thursday, Trump threatened primaries against Republican lawmakers who refuse to cooperate with repeal of the debt limit.

“Anybody that supports a bill that doesn’t take care of the Democrat quicksand known as the debt ceiling should be primaried and disposed of as quickly as possible,” Trump said.

Trump even went as far as pushing for the permanent repeal of the national borrowing limit. Democrats have long called for abolishing the cap, saying Republicans have used the limit as a weapon to force them to agree to spending cuts. Republicans have traditionally supported keeping the debt limit in place as a check on federal spending, although the limit bans borrowing, not spending. The government typically borrows to pay for spending that Congress and the White House have already enacted into law.

So what is going on in Trump’s demented head?

I take it Mike Johnson then started making noises about raising the debt ceiling but not abolishing it altogether. Today House Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries addressed this on Bluesky:

GOP extremists want House Democrats to raise the debt ceiling so that House Republicans can lower the amount of your Social Security check.

Hard pass.

— Hakeem Jeffries (@hakeem-jeffries.bsky.social) December 19, 2024 at 8:38 AM

Why is this happening? Alan Rappeport writes at the New York Times,

As he prepares to push an agenda of tax cuts and border security, Mr. Trump fears that a debt limit fight next year could interfere. His plans are expected to cost trillions of dollars, much of which will most likely need to come from borrowed funds. A drawn-out debt limit fight next year could force Mr. Trump and Republicans to bow to the demands of Democrats and could consume the congressional calendar.

“This is a nasty TRAP set in place by the Radical Left Democrats!” Mr. Trump wrote on social media on Wednesday night. …

By addressing the debt limit during the final weeks of the Biden administration, Republicans could prevent Democrats from weaponizing it against them once they are in power. And, as Mr. Trump has made clear, he could then blame Mr. Biden for increasing the borrowing cap.

And all this happened after Elon Musk detonated another bomb in Congress by demanding the death of an already made agreement that would have kept the government funded for at least a few months. Now we’re likely to have a shutdown right before Christmas, and you know how popular that will be. Paul Krugman writes in his substack column,

Musk is demanding — apparently successfully — that Republicans in Congress renege on a deal they had already agreed to, a continuing resolution that would keep the federal government going for the next few months. Why? Because, Musk says, of the outrageous provisions in that CR.

Except none of the items Musk is complaining about are actually in the bill. No, Congress isn’t giving itself a 40 percent raise. No, the bill doesn’t fund a $3 billion stadium in Washington. No, it doesn’t block future investigations into the Jan. 6 committee. No, it doesn’t fund bioweapons labs. …

…Second, you shouldn’t trust claims about the budget coming from Some Guy on the Internet. You might have imagined that the world’s richest man could have a couple of fact-checkers on retainer to help ensure that he isn’t making clearly stupid assertions. But nooo.

In a barrage of posts on X Musk pushed misinformation about a more or less routine, place-holding bill that was basically a way to keep the ship of state afloat until Trump takes charge. Maybe this was in part a power play, an attempt to make Republicans in Congress show fealty to a man who clearly imagines that he’s the real president — and Trump, by meekly endorsing Musk’s position, did in fact convey the impression that Musk is leading the guy who is supposed to be in charge by the nose. But this political theater will have real consequences, for America, for Trump, and for Musk himself.

People are already calling Musk the “co-president” and sometimes “the First Lady.” Krugman continues,

Maybe Musk himself doesn’t expect to experience any hardship, but put it this way: I’m glad that I won’t need to renew my passport any time soon, that I don’t expect to be trying to get through airport security for a while, and especially glad that I don’t rely either on food stamps or on small business loans. For all of these things have been disrupted in past government shutdowns.

Do Musk and Trump know any of this? Almost surely not.

Beyond the specifics, my guess is that antics like the potential shutdown will do much more damage to the Musk/Trump administration than they realize. (There’s also this other guy — JV Dance or something? — but he clearly doesn’t matter.)

First, since the election financial markets have clearly been betting that Trump will do very little of what he promised during the campaign — that we won’t really have a trade war, just some minor trade skirmishes, that we’ll have symbolic deportations rather than a mass roundup of immigrants, and so on. Markets have, in effect, discounted the disastrous consequences that would follow if Trump honored his own promises.

But a government shutdown in response to completely false claims about what’s in an innocuous short-term funding measure suggests that the peddlers of misinformation are high on their own supply. Trump may really believe that foreigners will pay tariffs, that U.S. trade deficits subsidize the rest of the world, that there’s a reserve army of American workers available to fill the gaps deportation would create. I don’t want to put too much weight on the latest market fluctuations, but it is starting to look as if investors are questioning their own complacency.

And while you’re at Krugman’s new substack site, be sure to read Health Insurance Is a Racket.

Update: Just a few minutes ago some House Republicans said they have a new budget deal that they can vote on today. But no details have been released.

Update Update: And the new bill inspired a big “hell no” from House Dems.

Update Update Update: The new bill failed in the House, 239 no, 174 yes.

Also in the news: A Georgia Appeals Court disqualified Fani Willis from the Trump RICO case. I guess we all knew that was coming.

A Deep Dive: There’s a long and nerdy article at Lawfare about the Republican Party and whether the current MAGA version of it is a break from the past or a continuation of it. If you don’t mind long and nerdy, it’s worth reading.

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2 thoughts on “Trump and Elon: High on Their Own Supply

  1. An interesting episode – looking at the dynamics of the three players (Musk, Trump, and Johnson) Musk seemed to be first to revolt against the compromise that Johnson worked out with Democrats (because Johnson needs some Democrats when more than a few Republicans balk.) Musk wants no cooperation with Democrats.

    Trump (with his faithful Indian companion, Vance) joined in to support Musk's rebellion, but it doesn't look like Trump led it. What Trump did champion was a revocation of the debt limit. You can speculate why Trump does not want the debt limit on his watch. During the election, Trump promised we'd be swimming in money from tariffs. It looks like he knows that's a con. Trump wanted to do the Great Mexican Roundup on the cheap using the military. Maybe Trump has been told that the courts are unlikely to allow it – which means billions must be appropriated to raise an army of cops and build detention facilities that can house hundreds of thousands.  IMO, that's a huge factor in Trump wanting the debt limit to go away. 

    Trump raised the deficit more than any other president. If he returns to building the wall and adding on concentration camps, that will be a budget-buster. A significant part of the Republicans in the House are fiscal hawks dedicated to driving down spending.,  If hundreds of people are dying in Trump's internment camps, of heat or lack of medical care or whatever, Democrats might support a government shutdown to force a CR for the sole purpose of defunding a brutal racist purge. 

    The CR proposal today was a farce. Johnson needed a two-thirds majority to pass the version that didn't come close to a simple majority, so the proposal and the vote were all for show. Trump called Johnson and specified the requirements. Johnson watered them down to a temporary suspension of the debt ceiling for Trump ONLY. IMO, that ensured that Democrats would vote against. (A permanent suspension of the debt ceiling might have won a lot of Democratic votes because it would take a way the opportunity for Republican to force a gov't shutdown. Leaving the debt ceiling in place may allow Democrats to show that Trump is spending like a drunken sailor.

    Johnson wants to stay on as Speaker. Trump has Johnson by the balls. But Musk fired this salvo at Johnson and there's no evidence Trump was consulted or in the loop for at least a day. Johnson is in thrall to two unreasonable masters. A few Republicans in the House are rebelling against Johnson already – it's far from certain that even Trump could save Johnson in January. But who else would take the job? Chaos in the House from Day One. 

    Where from here? It doesn't look like Johnson  will be allowed to offer the kind of concessions that will bring Democrats on board. Musk seems to think Trump can win in a shutdown. If Johnson puts out a straight CR with no perks for Trump, it might pass but Musk seems to think Republicans are in a strong negotiating position and Trump seems to really want the debt ceiling eliminated (but for Trump only.) Thirty-eight Republicans defied Trump in the vote. Trump may find it hard to get anything through Congress except an extension of the tax cuts by reconciliation.

  2. The Georgia decision is bizarre. Especially since Georgia case law has always said that opposing attorneys who are married or involved does not constitute a conflict of interest. This happens more often than people think: Prosecutors involved with or married to defense attorneys, etc.

    But I haven't read the opinion yet (nor am I an expert on Georgia law), and I basically don't care because everything I knew as reality flew out the window once Trump was back in the picture . He certainly has the power to cloud men's minds and reduce IQs. 

    The Shadow ain't got nuthin' on Trump.

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