24 thoughts on “Keep Talking

  1. Ok, but we want pictures! 🙂

    I hope it was a great wedding, and that everyone had the time of their lives.

    Love and peace.
    Out…

  2. I wonder how long it will take the geniouses who voted for these Tea-hadist economic terrorists, to figure out that all of these cuts on the Fed level will increase their state and local taxes?
    Assholes.

    I remember telling people celebrating Reagan’s tax cuts that soon their state and local taxes would go up. “Oh no,” they assured me, “this will mean lower taxes at all levels!”
    Assholes.
    I’d still be laughing at those numbskulls – if I could still laugh…

    And I hope when there are potholes on every street, and their children isn’t learning even less, and libraries start charging, that they call and bitch at their local politicians. And if I were a Democratic politician, I would use that as a teachable moment – if you can teach anything to people who are stone f*cking
    stupid! The only place that money ever really DID trickle-down from, was from the Federal to the State and Local levels. And now, ain’t nothing left to trickle-down, boys and girls. This IS what you wanted, isn’t it?
    Assholes.

    Also too, I hope the first Medicare cuts are for the scooters for those grossly fat Teabaggers who were out there screaming against government run health care, and adding that government should not touch their Medicare. I want to see these stupid fat people lying on their backs like overturnded turtles, with their arms and legs clawing the air.
    Assholes.

    If I had to live my life over again, I’d become a Proctologist and move to a red district in a red state. Everwhere you turn, all you see are assholes, and every asshole means money. Cha-ching!!!
    Assholes.

  3. If you like to see Krugman at his best, watch both halves of the round table from ABC this morning.

    http://abcnews.go.com/ThisWeek/video/roundtable-part-budget-endgame-14198610

    He’s not at all nice to Obama.

    Also, too, George Will is his same stupid self, and Grover Norquist looks and sounds like an immature and addled child whenever he opens his mouth. And Krugman does everything but call him a f*cking idiot right at the end, basically saying ‘if it wasn’t for the tax increases of the late ’80’s early 90’s, your boy Little Boots wouldn’t have all that nice money from the surplus to go play war with.’

    Grover should make it a point to never bring his lame comb-over into the same room as Krugman. It’s like bringing a store brand of cookies as a dessert to a gourmet party.
    And Grover also mentions that Scott Brown in MA looks great in a bathing suit? FTW, Grover? Where did that come from? Never mind, I don’t want to know. NTTAWWT!

  4. ‘Leaders’ are claiming progress on a deal. Spending cuts and a commission. Yada, Yada, Yada.

    The game… the whole game… the one issue they required from Boehner was PASSAGE of the Balanced Budget Amendment. The discussions seem to include a VOTE on the BBA, which would fail in the Senate. So the Teabaggers won’t buy this compromise, democrats will and the question is how many non-totally-crazy republicans will split from the idiots? Will it be enough?

  5. I’m trying to follow the debt reduction crisis but I’m having a little problem understanding the latest “close to a deal” language. I’m wondering if there are any foreign language speakers participating in this blog who are fluent in speaking gobbledygook who might be able to walk me through it.. I’m hearing about a second stage debt reduction commission to be put in place , and to my understanding of gobbledegook that translates roughly into kicking the can down the road toward Teaparty favored territory, or possibly could be interpreted as a cave in deferred.

    It’s common if you’re an insecure person in a group of people who are speaking a different language to think that they are talking negatively about you. So I assume that my being financially insecure and listening to politicos speaking in language that I don’t understand it’s probably natural to have some degree of paranoia, and a sense that you’re gonna get shafted.

  6. Swami,
    Sorry, I’m not fluent in Gobbbledygook.

    I don’t even have my Engligh/Gibberish-Gibberish/English dictionary anymore. I lent mine to someone as the Little Boots years were coming to an end. I didn’t anticipate Palin or Bachmann, though, and sadly never got it back.

    FYI – Here’s Krugman (as reported on HuffPo):
    “New York Times columnist Paul Krugman said Sunday that the debt deal will worsen the current unemployment situation and the nation’s long-run fiscal situation.

    “From the perspective of a rational person — in other words a progressive — we shouldn’t be talking about spending cuts at all now,” Krugman said during a roundtable discussion on ABCNews’ This Week With Christiane Amanpour. “We have 9 percent unemployment. These spending cuts are going to worsen unemployment. It’s even going to hold the long-run fiscal picture because we have a situation where more and more people are becoming permanent long-term unemployed.”

    Krugman’s not alone in his opinion: Last week, economic forecasting firm Macroeconomic Advisors analyzed Republican and Democratic debt proposals and said either plan would significantly slow economic growth if enacted.

    “We used to talk about the Japanese and lost decade,” Krugman continued. “We’ll look at them as a role model. They did better than we’re doing. this is going to go on. I have nobody I know who thinks the unemployment rate will be below 8 percent at the end of next year. With the spending cuts it might be above 9 percent at the end of next year. There is no light at the end of this tunnel. We’re having a debate in Washington, all about, ‘Gee, we’ll make the economy worse, but will we make it worse on 90 percent of the Republicans’ terms or 100 percent of Republicans’ terms?’ The answer is 100 percent.”

    You’ve gotta love this one:
    “From the perspective of a rational person — in other words a progressive…”
    HA!
    I thought George Wills’ bow-tie was going to was going to start spinning like a propeller, and airlift him outta there!

  7. I wish I’d been going to a wedding instead of what I did, which was try to pay attention to the debt ceiling nonsense.

    As of Sunday morning, the airwaves are buzzing with the outline of a deal which sounds absolutely bonkers, meaning I expect it will be enacted before the day is out. Whenever Mitch McConnell goes before the press and says they had a good day, watch out.

    I imagine the Democratic position as follows:

    “OK, so here’s the deal. You don’t shoot the hostage. We give you the money, and the plane, and we agree to have a small group of your confederates look over our house and our belongings. They’ll prepare a list of all the best stuff to take, and you’ll let us say yes or no. BUT, if we say no, we have to give you stuff from every room in the house, and you might have to take some stuff you don’t really want along with the good stuff. And we certainly won’t talk about increasing revenue. No, because we know you don’t like that.”

    “Plus, we won’t say anything about how it’s wrong to take hostages, so you are free to take another hostage whenever you can’t get your way through a majority vote, including, but not limited to, the upcoming budget legislation.”

    “Oh, and by the way, in case you were worried we might actually let the Bush tax cuts expire later, or use them as leverage against you, well, it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to realize that the economy is already faltering, and kicking it in the nuts with all these cuts won’t help, and do you really think Barack Obama would let taxes go up on the middle class in a bad economy? So, there’ll have to be some kind of bill to prevent those cuts from expiring, right? … I think you can see how that will go?”

    We’re going to be lucky if it’s only a Lost Decade. I wonder if this is what the late 1850s felt like?

  8. gulag ….Sorry to hear about your gibberish dictionary..I try to make it a habit not to lend out important reference books for the very reason that you lost yours. I did shit can my Scofield Reference Bible a few years ago thinking I’d never need that rag again, but seeing how our economy has hit the shoals, I’m finding a need to embrace the Lord to find security in these troubled times..I do remember one passage that was alluring and would serve as a balm against economic desolation .. It goes something like this..Come unto me all ya that are heavy laden..for I will give you rest.

    I’m been on a financial treadmill, running like a hamster, since 2008 and I’m really getting tired of the bullshit..And for some reason when I try to find the cause of my financial deterioration, my search always trails back to the Bush administration’s economic policies. Maybe that’s because I make my living from the housing market feeding directly for the money that people put into their houses..And when you’re underwater and your house is no longer a means of investment..you don’t put money into it except for the bare minimal for maintenance.

  9. From CNN

    “A first step would include about $1 trillion in spending cuts while raising the debt ceiling about the same amount. The proposal also would set up a special committee of Democratic and Republican legislators from both chambers of Congress to recommend additional deficit reduction steps –including tax reform as well as reforms to popular entitlement programs such as Medicare and Social Security.

    The committee’s recommendations would be put to a vote by Congress, without any amendments, by the end of the year. If Congress fails to pass the package, a so-called “trigger” mechanism would enact automatic spending cuts. Either way –with the package passed by Congress or the trigger of automatic cuts –a second increase in the debt ceiling would occur, but with an accompanying congressional vote of disapproval.

    In addition, the agreement would require both chambers of Congress to vote on a balanced budget amendment to the U.S. Constitution. Such an amendment would require two-thirds majorities in both chambers to pass, followed by ratification by 38 states –a process likely to take years.”

    What CNN has failed to note is the difference between requiring a VOTE on the BBA, and requiring PASSAGE of the BBA. They also haven’t described how games with the debt ceiling is a gun pointed at the head of the economy – in other words duress. Requiring PASSAGE of the BBA, is extortion because except for the duress, a majority in the Senate will vote down the BBA.

  10. Somebody needs to touchup a photo of Obama to include a federal and cigarette holder. The resemblance to FDR is striking.

    Krugman is right about the economics, of course. FDR knew the US had to pick sides and get in the War. But FDR maintained the official policy of neutrality and not getting embroiled in the conflict in Europe. At the same time, FDR was stripping our military of ships and supplies to send to England.

    The reason for this’d political farce was public opinion. Gripped by the Great Depression, republicans adopted the strategy of attacking Roosevelt as a warming. The public agreed, and FDR pretended to be a pacifist until Pearl Harbor gave him a free hand.

    The economic effects of the biggest government spending program of all time, WWII, took us out of the depression… and to property, along with higher taxes for the rich. Krugman is right, but Obama and Congress can do nothing unto Pearl Harbor.

  11. PARTY UBER ALLES!!!

    My question is, ok, so where do we hostages report to be shot?

    Or are they going to pick us off randomly, to maximize the fear and uncertainty?

    Fucking assholes.

    Not enough bad shit can happen to people like this.

    And sadly, not enought bad shit ever will…

  12. When “the deal” is reached, the worst part is going to be Steve Doocy and the Fox and Enemies crew gloating about the end of “Obama’s 11th-dimensional chess”

  13. I’m reading this way and that….. I am going to reverse what I suggested before.

    There won’t be a deal. I’m waiting for Boehner to make it official, but the Tea party won’t let him do this and there won’t be enough republican defections. There are some democrats in the House who will balk. Be it good news or bad… there’s my prediction. No deal.

    The fact that the Obama, Reid, McConell, and Boehner made a deal, which the Senate signed off on, and Boehner will reject means to the voter, the Wall Street investor, and anyone else who gets run over…. the blame SHOULD fall on the Tea Party. This should benefit democrats, but it will be a costly victory.

    One has to wonder… if Wall Street drops a trillion in value next week, will investors who normally republican) take en interest in defeating the Teabaggers in 2012

  14. For some reason the expression— rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic — seems fitting and descriptive to describe this whole debt ceiling negotiations business.. Maybe robbing Peter to pay Paul might fit the situation also.

  15. I wonder if Guantanamo will be closed as a result of spending cuts. I don’t know what the cost figures for keeping it open are, but I certainly know that it isn’t cost effective. I also wonder about the monstrosity of an embassy that Bush built in Iraq..I remember hearing that it will cost a billion dollars a year to operate that colossal monument to imperialism..I know that 1 billion might seem like a totally inflated figure used exaggerate the failings of the Bush Administration, but one the other hand,when you think about the costs of operating in a hostile environment where every cost is inflated beyond any measure of reason…it just could be feasible.. With the waste I’ve seen in the spending in Iraq, I’m inclined to believe that figure.

  16. Swami – The Titanic caused the maritime industry to evaluate different aspects of safety from using radio to mandating enough lifeboats. The liberal mandate FDR had was the result of the Great Depression. The important political game now may be – blamesmanship. (I get credit for that word.)

    The final offer before we go over the falls is going to go down as a very generous cut with no new revenue. And the final result of the final offer will be a rejection by the Tea Party. If I am right, and I am wrong fairly often, the popularity of the Tea Party will suffer greatly. When it looks to the rank-and-file that the tea party is going to end in 2012, there will be violence. Depending on when and how, it may be the event that swings the country back to legislative sanity- progressive style.

  17. Doug, I just saw the video of Obama saying that an agreement has been reached and that it will go to a vote..However it turns out both in terms of who got what in their bargaining position, and who votes for or against it, we’ll see in a very short time..I assume that if Obama can live with it even though it’s not what he would have liked. I think that the teabaggers didn’t get all of their nutjob demands, so they might have to opt for their default option. Anybody who votes against the agreement is voting for a default.

  18. FYI – here’s the WH’s fact sheet:
    http://www.whitehouse.gov/fact-sheet-victory-bipartisan-compromise-economy-american-people

    If you read it, note the pollyanna headers, like the title itself:
    “Fact Sheet: Bipartisan Debt Deal: A Win for the Economy and Budget Discipline”
    or,
    “REMOVING UNCERTAINTY TO SUPPORT THE AMERICAN ECONOMY,”
    and my favorite,
    “A BALANCED DEAL CONSISTENT WITH THE PRESIDENT’S COMMITMENT TO SHARED SACRIFICE.”
    Hold onto your wallets…

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