Hilzoy says the gang at The Corner “seems to have gone well and truly insane.” I don’t know where she gets the “seems.”
The wingnuts discovered that in his 1996 state senate campaign, Obama was endorsed by the New Party, a branch of the Democratic Socialists of America. Some 12-year-old New Party campaign literature identifies Obama as “a member,” and of course it doesn’t occur to the wingnuts that a fringe group would ever resort to padding and propaganda.
And if we’re going to play Joe McCarthy’s old “guilt by association” game, let’s talk about John McCain sitting on the board of the U.S. Council for World Freedom, a group linked to former Nazi collaborators and ultra-right-wing death squads in Central America.
Never mind that. The New Party and ACORN (boogaboogaboogabooga!) have infiltrated and hijacked the Democratic Party. See, the entire Democratic Party is nothing but a front for socialist world domination.
I wonder if we shouldn’t just open some Evil Empire amusement parks so that the wingnuts can act out their fantasies in a safer environment.
You know the Right has slipped its tether when even David Frum is telling them to chill out.
Those who press this Ayers line of attack are whipping Republicans and conservatives into a fury that is going to be very hard to calm after November. Is it really wise to send conservatives into opposition in a mood of disdain and fury for a man who may well be the next president of the United States, incidentally the first African-American president? Anger is a very bad political adviser. It can isolate us and push us to the extremes at exactly the moment when we ought to be rebuilding, rethinking, regrouping and recruiting.
A McCain supporter was arrested for threatening to empty his shotgun at the California Louisiana registrar’s office unless he got his voter registration card faster. Someone at a Palin-McCain rally shieks “kill him!” at the mention of Obama and Ayers. We’re going to be very lucky if no one else flips out and launches a killing spree.
The McCain campaign will have a lot to answer for after the election no matter which way it goes, if they keep stirring this particular pot. A guy who just wants to be president so he can finally outrank his father and grandfather is disqualification enough, but when he’ll do anything to win, including laying domestic minefields that will backfire on all of us, he’s beyond contempt. He’s lied so many times now that I don’t know how his rabid supporters can keep track of his position on any issue at any given time–but maybe that’s good for McCain, since it means they won’t reliably be able to blame him for the havoc he’d wreak on the country even though he promised something else.
The country is in mortal danger if this man wins.
“A McCain supporter was arrested for threatening to empty his shotgun at the California [sic] registrar’s office unless he got his voter registration card faster.”
Just as disturbing is the man’s explanation–he needed to cast his ballot to “keep the n*gger out of office.”
“Some 12-year-old New Party campaign literature identifies Obama as “a member,†and of course it doesn’t occur to the wingnuts that a fringe group would ever resort to padding and propaganda.”
Or maybe it was just a typo.
Seriously, is that the best defense you can come up with? Did you even look at the documents?
I’m sure you don’t find Obama’s membership in a socialist fringe group troubling. Others do, especially when it’s clear that he has gone out of way to conceal this part of his political biography.
If Obama has -or even HAD — socialist leanings, that’s directly relevant to the kind of president he would make. The public is entitled to a full airing of these revelations. Attacking the messenger is not a very compelling defense.
I’m sure you don’t find Obama’s membership in a socialist fringe group troubling.
You’ve provided damn skimpy evidence he was a member at all.
If Obama has -or even HAD — socialist leanings, that’s directly relevant to the kind of president he would make.
I like the “or even HAD” part. “Are you now or have you ever been a member of the Communist Party?” Brings back memories.
I’m just going to repeat what Hilzoy says about The Corner —
In other words, you’ve floated into Cloud Cuckoo Land, dude. Hope it’s fun.
My wife went to elementary school with Frank Niti’s grandson.
I guess this is my last post, guys. I’m off to Alcatraz. Fare well.
The current Republican Administration has just taken steps to nationalize the banking industry, and the Republican Presidential candidate concurs with this plan.
Meanwhile, Conrad is very worried that Obama might have met with an avowed socialist at some time years in the past, or might actually have socialist tendencies. You know, pinko leanings.
Both Payline and McCain have been skirting the edge of incitement to riot. When their followers to openly call for violence, they do not refute them.
Meanwhile the media, in it’s ‘balanced reporting’, makes obviously false claims that Obama’s people do the same thing, so this isn’t worth reporting. This is so blatantly false. Nobody at Obama rallies calls for the death of McCain. I just watched one Obama rally on TV, and the only thing the crowd said was, ‘we can’t hear you’ because they weren’t near a speaker.
The Republicans have routinely made statements calling for the death of the 70% of Americans that don’t enthusiastically support the GOP. Limbaugh, Coulter, Savage and the like are tasked with pushing the boundaries of civil public discourse solely to make it safe for ‘mainstream’ figures, like PayLine and McCain to follow along safely.
I simply do not see anything close to that death-worship on the left. Amy Goodman is considered to be far-left, and she never calls for her political nemeses to be rounded up and slaughtered. None of the leftist political commentators call for the deaths of their opponents, and certainly not as ecstatically as does the Right.
Wingnuts would fall flat on their faces without their favorite buzz words ‘taxes, socialists and terrorists’ to spout when actual content is wanting. However, like a flattened bee, their ‘buzzes’ are getting less and less threatening.
Methinks they’ve finally crossed that line when repetitive behavior goes from being a habit to a medical diagnosis.
Conrad, I’m just embarrassed for you, dude.
First it was the birth certificate “conspiracy,” now this. What next, old grocery lists? See there– he bought the red grapes!
Thus dies American conservatism, with the most pathetic of whimpers.
It would be funny if this wasn’t the future of our country.. these days really do seem like a case of McCarthyism. I spoke to someone today that still doesn’t think Obama was born in this country. I pointed out his birth announcement and that Hawaii is a state. They said. “No one from this country talks like he does”, and I said, “Only people educated at Harvard”. It sure is sad when you see lies being embraced when we need this change for our future so much.
btw… wasn’t Palin in some group that wanted Alaska out of the US?
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Matt — about what, exactly?
For historical perspective, I was a member of DSA in Columbus, Ohio during the ’92 election, and our country had not yet reached the place where a public school education was derided as a form of socialism. Clinton, with a single-payer health -plan on his platform, was actually elected into office. And to be endorsed by a rinky-dink socialist organization was not big enough a story to be attended to in the press. Heck, we ran a DSA member within the democratic party against John Kasich for Congress, and nobody cared to call that a story.
For the record, I believe that “socialism” is a dead term in the current political field, but not because there is no responsibility and right towards such things as shelter, health care and an education. To think of these as “socialist leanings” is to burden them with histories and ideologies that are only distracting, and those wingnuts know it.
Now it seems that when issues are really on the kitchen table, the “s” word is hauled out as the usual suspect. I’m currently (finally) reading Naomi Klein’s book on the effects of Milton Friedman’s policies, and it comes as no surprise that in the latest economic disaster this is what raises its head. Shock doctrine, indeed.
Yes it really is getting fucking ugly. What else can we expect from the bankrupt right wing? I have detected a full assault of the African American Community in the last week. It as if the wingnuts can accept the “blacks” as long as they know there place (not in the white house), i.e. “that one”. I mentioned in a posting a few weeks ago that FAUX news was blaming the entire financial meltdown on the “blacks” that are buying houses that they can’t afford, anytime you hear a wingnut say “Freddie and Fanny” what they are really saying is that “blacks” have caused this meltdown. Well it seems that this idea has become right wingnut reality. So this got me to thinking:
USA population= 304 million (approx.)
percent of “Blacks”= 12.85% (cia world fact book) = 39 million
According to census figures we have 72 million homeowners in this great country and “minority” home ownership is at 49%, so only half of “the Black families†own their own home.
So 12.85% of 72 million = 9.2 million and half of them own homes or 4.6 million. So if we say that 0.2 percent (current rate of forclosures) of the “Blacks†are foreclosing home loans then less than 10,000 “Blacks†are responsible for the collapse of the entire Global financial system. Wow that seems a little hard to believe. 10,000 X 200,000 (cost of home)= 2 billion dollars, what about the other 698 billion in the “bailoutâ€. What will the wingnuts think of next? Give me fucking break.
You might want to check the link again. The incident took place in Louisiana, not California.
Comrad Conrad doesn’t seem to understand that with the bailouts of the big financial institutes, we’re all socialists now, except we don’t get the free medical and education benefits thingies, they just allow us to live another day.
If some dipshit decides to pull some gun play that injures either candidate, there will be BIG trouble, we’re (IMHO) at this very minute on the verge of martial law being declared due to the financial melt down and the election or inaguration being suspended. I can envision big problems if either side pulls some shit befor or right after the election, should they be pissed about the results.
Oh, and expect the next wave to be a credit card lock up and dramatic rise in the card interest rates.
Wasn’t Palin in some group that wanted Alaska out of the US?
That would be the Alaska Independence Party, or AIP. Her husband, Todd, a/k/a “First Dude,” was (and I believe still is) a card-carrying member. Their purpose is Alaska’s secession from the union.
I haven’t checked the U.S. Code, but I’ve read elsewhere that secession is treason. (Of course, I’m strongly opposed to prosecuting anyone for meeting on a regular basis to impotently discuss stupid ideas.) As for Sarah Palin’s personal involvement, she recorded a video greeting for the AIP’s 2007 convention.
Apparently, in second grade she was too busy presciently imagining the future Sen. Biden’s speeches to learn the well-known playground rhyme: “I am rubber, you are glue; it bounces off me and sticks to you.”
Intelligent discourse is too good for that horrible woman; a simple reaction of “Dumbass” completely sums her up.
What appalls me about all of this (and it’s a real feast of sewage, hard to choose among the items) is the utter lack of courage McCain has exhibited in confronting Obama about these and other charges (I’m thinking of the stuff with Ayers). If this was such serious stuff, how come we haven’t heard a peep from the good Senator at the debates?
Answer: McCain knows it’s all horseshit, and he knows Obama would call him on it. But his bottom feeder supporters so badly want to paint Obama as evil, and McCain lets them.
erinyes, I hear you. My great dread is that any harm should come to either candidate; I pray to all the Powers That May Be, every day, since the Secret Service doesn’t seem to care all that much.
If, for any reason, this election were not to go forward, I too think the remaining shell of our constitutional government would collapse. Perhaps we’d finally all meet up in some concentration camp for potential subversives. I’m sure my name’s written in blood on a list somewhere. Like the late Paul Newman, I choose to take pride in that.
So God, Yahweh, Allah, Buddha, Muhammad, Jesus, Confucius, Angel Moroni, St. John Lennon, St. Paul Newman, St. Molly Ivins, everybody, please look out for Obama’s safety and McCain’s health. Thank you and amen.
Amen;
I would like to add…..
all y’all please help in the prosecution and incarceration of the mortals involved in hijacking our country, plotting the needless wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, and aiding and abetting the rat bastards who engineered the financial meltdown we are now having.
And bring the soldiers home to their families.
Oh, and return MS. Palin to her home in Alaska, for ever and ever,
Amen
I wish Obama was a secret Socialist. Just look at all the good and great things Bernie Sanders has done for my state of Vermont, like our low-cost dental clinic 10 miles from my house. We need more Socialists in the US Fed. It’s the lack of Socialists that has gotten us into this huge financial mess.
But, alas and alack, Obama is just another moderate Republican (meaning to the right of center), someone that’s sold out his lefty politics just to accrue more political power and advance up the ladder.
I’ll be voting for a Real Democrat in this election, and Obama ain’t it. (I can do this since my district will go heavily for Obama). Back in 2000, I voted for Nader (who I will note here is NOT a Real Democrat), again because my district was about 98% for Gore.
Comrad Conrad doesn’t seem to understand that with the bailouts of the big financial institutes, we’re all socialists now, except we don’t get the free medical and education benefits thingies, they just allow us to live another day.
That’s part of it – I bet Comrade Conrad has no idea what a socialist actually is.
Reality: ChapterOne – We got a real economic mess here. Secretary Paulson said yesterday institutions WILL fail. Credit is dry as the Sahara even with the prime at 1.5%. Banks don’t know who will fail, and so they are hoarding assets. They won’t lend to each other, let alone business. The best guess from economists is that the economy will start to improve at the end of NEXT year. And the Dow is down almost 700 points today. Businesses are going to fail; mass layoffs soon; this shit’s getting worse.
Reality: Chapter Two – No one doubts that the Democrats will gain seats in the House & Senate. They may get a supermajority in the Senate, 60 seats. Of course getting Democrats on the same page is hearding cats, so it will help to have a strong leader.
Reality – Chapter 3 – If you accept Chapters 1 & 2, then just think about what McCain-Palin means to solving the crisis. McCain believes in trickle-down, hands-off government. He will want to bail out the banks. (Read the details of his newest bailout proposal.) A lot of us think he wants to slash entitlements. Congress will want to pass legislation – that he will veto. McCain will demand the kind of budget which Congress won’t sign onto. Gridlock in a can while the nation flounders.
Opinion: There is no way you can OVERSTATE the importance of having Congress & the Administration on the same page for the next 18 months. This is not a time in our history when getting nothing done will work.
If you think all Missouri Rednecks are Republican, take a look st Rednecks4Obama!
And 2 days ago the Votemaster at Electoral-Vote.com switched Missouri from Barely Republican to Barely Democratic.
Keep it up, guys!
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Comrade Rutherford, good luck with that.
Nader is no Democrat. Thank heaven he won’t be a spoiler, either.
If you can’t rent a good horror film from Blockbuster Video this evening to send chills up your spine…Maybe you will be able to get a more intense sensation of horror by watching these videos. It’s one thing to hear about the ignorance, racism, and hatred in America..but it’s another thing to see it.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/09/mccain-palin-rally-attend_n_133240.html