President Bush once again waved the Bloody Allegation of Appeasement to trash a Democrat, in this case Barack Obama. For the record, I’m not as offended about this as is Will Bunch. Mostly I just find Bush’s little speech utterly pathetic.
Here’s the most unpopular president in our lifetime, a man whose foreign (as well as domestic) policies have been unmitigated and often unparalleled disasters, criticizing someone else regarding foreign policy. Frankly, Bush is so clueless that being criticized by him is something of an honor.
Here’s what Bush said:
“Some seem to believe that we should negotiate with the terrorists and radicals, as if some ingenious argument will persuade them they have been wrong all along. We have heard this foolish delusion before. As Nazi tanks crossed into Poland in 1939, an American senator declared: ‘Lord, if I could only have talked to Hitler, all this might have been avoided.’ We have an obligation to call this what it is — the false comfort of appeasement, which has been repeatedly discredited by history.”
FYI, the American senator being referenced was Republican Senator William Borah (R-ID), a right-wing isolationist and Nazi sympathizer. This blogger has some good historical background.
If you watched Hardball tonight, you saw a wingnut radio talk-show mouthpiece named Kevin James who literally was screaming about appeasement and Neville Chamberlain. Chris Matthews put James on the spot to explain exactly what Neville Chamberlain did to earn the label of “appeasement.” It was obvious James had absolutely no clue. He was screaming that Obama was going to do “the exact same thing” that Chamberlain did, but it turns out that James had no idea what Chamberlain did. And Tweety called James pathetic. It was hysterical. I hope somebody makes a YouTube video of it; I’ll post it here.
I wrote a couple of years ago that righties don’t know what the word appeasement actually means. I’m glad Tweety is catching up to me.
Just for the record, I dug out an essay from last year that argues Bush is a lot more like Neville Chamberlain than, well, just about anybody.
Update: Here’s the video:
Hey Maha,
My wife and I just watched the hardball segment featuring Kevin James, what a bloody dope.
The right’s creed seems to be he who screams the loudest wins. I flat sick of it.
TPM has a YouTube video of it
Gee whiz; I wonder how Herr Bu$ch would describe his own paternal grandfather Prescott…who was actually an enabler of, and profitted from…Hitler and the Nazi war machine. Though his style was somewhat cramped by being busted in 1942 for Trading With the Enemy; the Bu$ch family fortune was still assured! What is perhaps even more interesting and telling is that Bu$ch, and the probable Zionist who actually wrote the speech, both must be supremely confident that, in response, neither the media OR any prominent Democrat will dare to raise such inconvenient, yet well documented, and revealing historical facts.
Well, unlike Hitler, we aren’t arming Osama are we?. I mean, Granddaddy Bush was Hitlers banker. Oh Oh. Answered my own question.
We created Hitler, Stalin and Communist China, we created OBL, next we will bring ET home and have him attack us so we can fight the next War against the Alien menace.
That whooshing sound you hear is James plummeting from the
B-list – to the F-list.
From the immortal Bugs Bunny: “What a dope, what a maroon…”
That was a great media moment – from Mathew’s of all people… And Keith also had a GREAT one in Wednesday nights special comment.
BTW – read Peggy Noonan’s latest: http://online.wsj.com/article/declarations.html
Even she is seeing the writing on the wall.
And let’s frame Bush’s comment in a way that people can understand (I read this somewhere yesterday, I wish I could tell you where). To paraphrase that comment: Obama’s Grandfather was an American soldier at the same time that Bush’s Grandfather, Herr Prescott Bush, was busy sitting at home and accumulating the family fortune by funding the Nazi War Machine.
You just can’t make this shit up…
Well, PFT…it IS óut there´ that Werner VonBraun of V1-2 rocket fame for the Nazis, and Apollo/Saturn 5 fame for the US…actually told his long time secretary I believe it was, that after the, at that time in the future… ´terrist´ threat had run it´s due course, it would then indeed be those nasty aliens that would be hyped as the next useful and dire existential threat! And he was speaking 30 or more years ago! Given his Project Paperclip connections and subsequent position and contacts; he probably had some ´reliable sources´….
Isn’t this mouth piece just a reflection of our education system and the extent of history taught in the public school system? If a historic figure can’t be spoken about in one word or so then its not worth even talking about! Neville = weak ; Reagan = god/great president ;
Bush = strong willed ; democrats = liberal (i.e. bad/weak refer to Neville).
No time for in depth analysis or for anything that would take longer than 30 seconds to talk about. Why? Because today we need a more balanced “social studies” education and not just history.
Someone should remind the Republicans that it was Republican President Herbert Hoover and his Sec. of State (retained at State during FDR’s first term) who devised the policy of “Appeasement” in response to the Japanese invasion of Manchuria…
Long before Mr. Chamberlain and his umbrella went to Munich.
Even though it was painful, I so enjoyed the exchange – if that’s the word for it – with Tweety and the right wing screamer. And I was pleased how the Air America guy held his cool (and said so) and tried to help out.
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The terrorist monkey can not be negotiated with. The only reason to maybe talk to Ahmadamadmonkey in say maybe Switzerland is to provoke him by debating his ideology and criticizing his hatred. Force him to say lots of stupid and insane things which would be widely publicized thus educating more people to his ideology’s insanity. This, I am quite sure, Obama would never do.
Ouch, Obama and the poor little Dems were hit a little too close to home by what GW said. It’s one of the best things Bush has ever said. Bravo! And he didn’t even have to mention the Dhimmicrats or any body’s name.
So sure, then he folded in Saudi Arabia, but what he said in Israel almost makes that OK.
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absurd thought –
God of the Universe says
appease the appeasers
don’t embarrass them
by calling them appeasers
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absurd thought –
God of the Universe said
have a sit down with Hitler
he should have been sweet-talked
he had goodness within
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Appeasement Talk Bothers Appeasers
Help Halt Terrorism Now!
USpace
🙂
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Seems like USpace is in the wrong space – you think? Why doesn’t anyone realize that the more something is opposed, the stronger it gets? We’ve tried force in the middle east, and look where it’s gotten us. Negotiation is not appeasement, but then Bush wouldn’t know the difference – he’s still saying “nucular” instead of nuclear.
USpace is the stupider Malkin sister.
Let’s see… I remember Nixon in Moscow, and it took a while, but we managed to negotiated them into going away. Nixon started nogotiation with China and now we’re so close that they own most of W’s new debt. The UK finally sat down with the IRA and they disarmed – still a ways to go there, but progress. W is currently negotiating with Iran and Syria over issues in Iraq. W negotiated with North Korea and ended yet another nuclear crisis there…
I dunno, USpace, but it seems to me that talking to our enemies has a history of making things better. Even W seems to know that, except when he wants to take a political cheap shot.
USpace,
What a waste of any space!!!
“The terrorist monkey can not be negotiated with,,,”
Any imbecile that wirites this stupid, STUPID BS! sentence, is dumber than dirt.
So, USpace, pick out the nit’s in your hair, and appease them by giving part of your scalp to them.
Thsi way, you”ll go “part”- of-the-way.
USpace,
What dope! What a moroon…
The exchange was hilarious. it just proves that these far right racist dimwits are only good for being republican mouthpieces. they tow the party line no matter how absurd a bush policy may be, constantly refering to our founding fathers one of whic said those who are willing to sacrifice freedom for security deserve neither(Benjamen Franklin). but when it was revealed that bush had a huge nsa monitoring system set up that was not only listening in on foriegn calls which seemed suspicious but regular americans phone calls and e mails retired a t t workers were able to confirm this. the moron talk show hosts and callers response was hey if u dont got nothing to hide then u shouldn t worry about it, thats not the point dittoheads and all other tragically stupid white callers to the show I,m white to by the way. If any1 calls with an opposing point of view that these idiots cant respond to they quickly attack them as a liberal and hang up on them. God i could go on @on @on @on but I dont have the time Rush Libaugh, Sean Hannity, Mark laVin my god what an idiot he is all he does is scream in his high pitched castrato sounding voice. These people are nothing but dumb muscle for the republicans those who somehow agree are even worse I m startin to think that u should have to take a test that you know at least what your voting for or against b4 voting cus the stupidity of some of these voters is scary and what there doin affects lives.